(reproduced with the permission of its author, Nick Pottier, Central Neighborhood Association. Couple of edits by Andrew)
For those who didn't make it, some quick notes taken during the meeting. I just typed these up during the meeting, so forgive any typos or errors. No proof reading either. Don't sue me! :)
Jim Mueller presented the project and their plans therein. There were various plans available for viewing before the meeting with various sketches, I don't know if these are available online just yet.
- he's been working with community leaders to find something that will fit in with the neighborhood
- architects are Mithun architects
- the building designs are concepts to get a feel for how the space will be changed, they are not final or detailed
- JC Mueller core values: integrity, intelligence, homework Triple bottom line: environment, community, economics, all sustainable
- previous site was Coleman building, demolished by Nisqually quake
- white tanks on the site are to clean up from old dry cleaning pollution, takes 6-8 months
- they took into account position of site between residential and commercial areas
- Objectives:
- Community Revitalization
- Urban Design
- Economics - (requires taller building to pay off)
- Neighborhood Economics - bring new residents and retail
- Sustainability - Build responsibly
- Project Features
- Approx 90 units
- 85-90 parking stalls
- ~4500 square feet of street level retail (preference for local/regional)
- Encourage pedestrian activities
Option 1:
- 40 foot tall
- retail only on street level
Option 2:
- 65 feet (six stories)
- street level is both residential and retail
- town houses on 22nd
Option 3: (preferred and proposed)
- 65 feet (six stories)
- Entry on 23rd
- 22nd has town homes
- Retail on Union and 23rd on street level
Height:
- height is needed to make project feasible
- proportion of space is what makes you comfortable in a space.. Walmart parking lot is too spread out, with taller structures a larger setback will make it feel OK
- very much wants to make pedestrians comfortable and create a comfortable space
- example: alley 24 across from REI, which is 75 feet
Design review board meeting:
- Wednesday, June 27, 2007
- 6:30 PM
- Miller Community Center
- 330 19th Ave E
Information:
AskUnion@jcmueller.com
Q and A:
Q: Are you pursuing any other zoning changes in the area?
A: Yes, maybe.
Q: Parking will be exiting onto 23rd? Is that going to be a traffic issue?
A: Something we are still studying and trying to work through, city will certainly be involved.
Q: Can you make your number if you step back the first few floors?
A: We have stepped them back a bit at 40 feet, which will make it feel less tall from the street.
Q: What are the pros and cons of people living on 22nd?
A: Should be almost all positive. New residents will be good for the area, and shadow is cast on Union street, not 22nd.
Q: Will there be retail/visitor parking?
A: Yes, some, accessed off 23rd.
Q: Tell us more about sustainable building. How green?
A: Will be studied but still in planning and depends on what we can achieve economically. City has incentives for this as well. Building locally in town is a big step towards being green.
Q: How many parking levels underground?
A: Two. They are expensive.
Q: Describe housing.
A: Market rate, 'affordable'. Not low income.
Q: Lot of real estate on 23rd & Union. What do you think about a pedestrian mall?
A: Some are great, some fail completely. Don't know about this.
Q: West Harbor area has a lot of great ideas. Please study that.
A: We are definitely going to focus on bicycles and flex cars.
Q: You guys should have a secure bicycle area and a bike workshop area.
A: Ya I like that.
Q: Setback is great, maybe vary the roof line to have it appear more different.
A: Architect is listening, I'm sure he'll note it.
Q: Will they be rental units or for sale?
A: Don't know yet.
Q: Construction time frame?
A: Will start construction in about a year. Will take about 14-16 months to build.
Q: How big are the sidewalks?
A: Min requirement is 12 feet, we'll have to actually widen it a bit.
Q: Tell us more about the contract rezone process.
A: Project gets approved at a height. It does not allow us to resell the site with that rezone, its only approved for that particular project. Meeting on the 27th will be official kickoff.
Q: Is there any fear that this project might be killed because of rising interest rates etc?
A: Seattle still has a strong economy and the CD is close to downtown so will remain in demand.
Q: Why don't you sell it to people with no cars? And therefore no parking to save money?
A: The market objects to that, though I like the idea. Lenders would not go along with that however, not economically feasible.
Q: How are you reaching out to the african american community?
A: Apparently not very well, because none are in attendance. Help!
Q: How was this information spread?
A: Mostly through websites, apparently didn't reach all the audience.
Q: How do you make the retail look more diverse and small to attract the smaller retailers?
A: The problem is actually cost. Its hard to find small retailers who can afford the rent of a new space. We will try to make it as affordable as possible.
Q: Is the space going to be retail or small office space?
A: No, it will be retail.
Q: Tell us more about the green elements of this project.
A: We are still determining that. More as we start nailing things down. We will do what is effective and makes sense economically.
Q: Do you have a square footage cost?
A: Rents in areas like this in 2009ish will be $2.25 sq/ft for residential. That's the minimum needed to get financing. Condos about $5.50 sq/ft. Big costs are construction and parking.
Q: Would be great to see the context of the site and its height with other buildings around.
A: No slides for that, but our other boards had it.
Q: Houses on 22nd will be in shade in the winter.
A: Yes, there will be some, can't avoid it.
Q: Have you thought about the impact of street parking? Zone parking?
A: We will have parking, so it won't be us causing the problem.
(others chimed in that we've tried to do zoning before, but haven't goten residential support)
A: Plan for a street car coming through 23rd & Union?
Q: For sale or for rent?
A: Don't know yet.
Q: Unit mix?
A: 80% 1 bedroom and studio, 20% 2 bedroom.
Q: Any sketches of the actual final design and finish?
A: This will be part of the review process. Lots of factors. 1) cost 2) durability 3) maintainability We'll be picking a skin that fits those criteria and which will hopefully fit in with the neighborhood. Start of that discussion on the 27th.
Q: Have you looked at mechanical parking, is it cheaper?
A: Yes, I've looked at it and used it in China. In general its more expensive except for special cases. Getting cheaper but not yet there.
Q: You said you don't prefer national chains. How serious are you?
A: Its my preference. No promises, but I have a strong personal preference towards biz owners being in the stores.
Q: Are there environmental issues that might block the project?
A: No, contamination from dry cleaning was it.
Q: There is a bus stop on 23rd, will that move?
A: We'll have to deal with that, might move.
Q: Will you have a sustainability consultant on the project?
A: Our architects kind of specialize in that.
Q: Is green and sustainable going to be the 'brand' of this project?
A: Yes, but I also want to do something with music since this area has a strong history of that.
Q: Is there any shared/community space to this project? Courtyard?
A: I don't know yet, we are still designing the retail level. Most buildings like this have a common area for residents. Maybe make that more community based. It's possible.
Q: Would be nice to see something less boxy.
A: Design is changing constantly. There will be updated designs on the 27th for you to look at.
Q: Can you talk about the materials? Looks like glass & metal.
A: Still too early.
Q: There are lots of small children on 22nd. Please don't put the parking entrance there. How do I help make that happen?
A: Show up to the meetings, preferred option is definitely not to have parking entrance there. Cars belong on 23rd and Union.
Q: Won't entrance on 23rd cause people to double back on 22nd to turn left?
A: Yes, that's a concern. City planning is thinking about that and its something we are tracking.
Q: 23rd is an arterial, no parking. You are going to add load to the parking, how will it be handled?
A: Trying to create a pedestrian area, hopefully people will walk. We'll have some parking but in the end we are in a city, thats just the reality of the situation.
Q: Could they ever require a change to traffic on 22nd? (couldn't hear details)
A: Yes, maybe.
Q: Most of us want you here, but we have concerns about parking and traffic etc..
A: This is a great place to live without a car, close to downtown etc.. More discussion on pedestrian access.
Q: Will you be selling parking separately from the units?
A: Possibly. (additional comments about people then parking on the street)
Q: Will there be bike parking and what about the impacts of the bicycle master plan?
A: Yes, there will be bike parking and I'm a big fan of the bicycle master plan.
Q: How about some covered bike parking?
A: Ya, that's what I have in mind.
Q: No option for parking entrance on Union.
A: Parking entrance would ruin retail space.
Q: Will people put up with traffic on Union when sitting at a cafe on it?
A: Yes if done correctly.
Q: Who will be responding to emails and such?
A: Denise and I monitor comments and questions. As does our PR firm. (Nyhus)
That's it.
-Nic